tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5199579917411337233.post4762674149987310493..comments2024-03-26T04:55:59.077-04:00Comments on Legacy of the Bieth: Protecting Our Spaces: A Response to RaggiAllandaroshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01046079318999891967noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5199579917411337233.post-66300957355714173672022-03-11T13:20:43.356-05:002022-03-11T13:20:43.356-05:00Those are good points.Those are good points.thekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5199579917411337233.post-87398237903463066052022-03-07T13:38:25.213-05:002022-03-07T13:38:25.213-05:00Thanks for posting this. While obviously the hobby...Thanks for posting this. While obviously the hobby, like the rest of society, will always need to do more work to deal with its bad actors and their enablers, something made difficult by indie RPGs very informal, non-hierarchical nature and lack of adjudicators, this sort of clear explanation offers a good resource for folks trying to negotiate the issues of protecting expression v. platforming exclusionary voices.<br /><br />It seems like the most we can really do individually -- a statement of values and explanation of why one holds them. It's good to see though as it educates and maybe encourages shared actions that I hope make our fragment of the hobby more resilient and more inclusive over time. Gus Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14872819206286105195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5199579917411337233.post-58832289276004170842022-03-06T12:13:20.680-05:002022-03-06T12:13:20.680-05:00\m/\m/LShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15495083228566425216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5199579917411337233.post-76731641411817494362022-03-06T09:39:09.932-05:002022-03-06T09:39:09.932-05:00Arguing with harmful folks, but also treating them...Arguing with harmful folks, but also treating them as 'just another community member,' winds up not being an effective protection method, because it winds up legitimizing their viewpoints and saying 'this sort of discourse is legit within our community.' If marginalized folks feel like they have to get into arguments about their presence every time they participate in a community, that's not a community they can feel safe in.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.vox.com/culture/22230847/deplatforming-free-speech-controversy-trump" rel="nofollow">Deplatforming works, on multiple levels</a>. Allandaroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01046079318999891967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5199579917411337233.post-9667773698809723022022-03-06T08:29:25.257-05:002022-03-06T08:29:25.257-05:00*Shockingly*, Zak does not get reply privileges he...*Shockingly*, Zak does not get reply privileges here.Allandaroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01046079318999891967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5199579917411337233.post-2486611792950108822022-03-06T00:56:45.795-05:002022-03-06T00:56:45.795-05:00Imagine, someone posts about shitheads and you pop...Imagine, someone posts about shitheads and you pop up, like some sort of edgy Candyman.PolarFrostyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00591806633786329722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5199579917411337233.post-52151732993028306512022-03-05T23:36:41.611-05:002022-03-05T23:36:41.611-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5199579917411337233.post-30107091726806666802022-03-04T21:27:49.785-05:002022-03-04T21:27:49.785-05:00Spot on.
Even if you take a tangent from the rac...Spot on. <br /><br />Even if you take a tangent from the racism and just look at the non-racist, trolling sh!theel behavior, the OSR scene looks like one to avoid. Heap the racism on top of that and you get a cesspool of abhorrent personality traits.Raging Owlbearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10556804177905125874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5199579917411337233.post-11705381051397918182022-03-04T20:12:12.416-05:002022-03-04T20:12:12.416-05:00I wish I was more surprised, but Raggi has kinda a...I wish I was more surprised, but Raggi has kinda always worn his heart on his sleeve: "I am going to publish material to serve as a 'take that!' against a moral panic from decades ago", and that only leaves you so much to space to go if you don't invest in a bit of expanding horizons and self-reflection. <br /><br />He was always about trying to stick it to some imagined moralist enemy, and when the zeitgeist was leaving him behind he decided "no, it is the children who are wrong" and kept going with a sinking ship.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00694362417308874455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5199579917411337233.post-29126402361731673072022-03-04T10:31:00.848-05:002022-03-04T10:31:00.848-05:00Calling out and vigorously criticizing those who w...<i>Calling out and vigorously criticizing those who would contribute to marginalizing others is crucial for our, or any, scene. Because that’s how you make sure that you actually keep as diverse and broad a scene as possible, with as many different perspectives and interesting ideas as you can: by making it safe for the most vulnerable.</i><br /><br />I'm not James, and gosh I find it difficult to navigate and understand his positions sometimes, but I don't think he would disagree with you here.<br /><br />I think he would absolutely insist on marginalised and vulnerable members of the community being protected; I don't think that has changed since he wrote the Referee book way back when. Where I think he disagrees with many is that he doesn't believe that expelling dangerous and harmful people from a community is the way to do it. He'd probably say that doing so is wrong, and instead we should argue with them, but again I am wary of speaking for him on that point.<br /><br />Anyway, that's just how I read it, as an admittedly not-entirely-neutral observer.thekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.com